Byo to rename suburbs, streets

Nqobile Tshili Chronicle Correspondent
THE Bulawayo City Council (BCC) says it will shortly launch an exercise to correct misspellings of some of its streets and suburbs — a carryover from the colonial era.

A full council meeting adopted the resolution after a resident, Khumbulani Maphosa, wrote a letter saying the wrong spellings were “linguistically and culturally wrong”.

White settlers who ran the council before Independence in 1980 were responsible for the naming of suburbs and signage which typically carried misspelt words in the local language. No effort was made to correct the misspellings after Independence.

Maphosa wrote to the BCC: “I write to you requesting that the Bulawayo City Council expeditiously consider correcting the misspelt Ndebele names of some suburbs/locations and or streets of the city that were mostly misspelt by the pre-independence local authority.”

He identified some of the suburbs whose names were misspelt as Mpopoma, Nketa, Makokoba, Pelandaba, Pumula, Lobengula, Kumalo, Masiyepambili and Matsheumhlope.

Maphosa said they should be changed to Mpophoma, Makhokhoba, Phelandaba, Phumula, Lobhengula, Khumalo, Masiyephambili and Matsh’amhlophe.

He said the misspelt names symbolised colonial disrespect of the Ndebele language and culture, and the BCC had to make a policy decision to have the names corrected. Maphosa said colonial errors should be revisited and corrected to restore honour to Ndebele people.

“These wrong spellings are linguistically, culturally, morally, legally, socially and ethically wrong,” he wrote. “These misspelt names are a violation of the Ndebele human, linguistic and cultural rights as enshrined in the Constitution of Zimbabwe Amendment (No. 20) Act 2013, in international law as well as in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities.”

Councillors concurred with Maphosa and okayed the name changes which could cost thousands of dollars as city maps, road signs and other signage outside schools and clinics are changed.

Councillors recommended to the BCC’s Lands and Planning Committee that “the request by Khumbulani Maphosa for correction of misspelt names for suburbs and streets … be acceded to and Council carries out such an exercise in Bulawayo as and when funds became available for this purpose.”

 

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  • Mart

    Don’t blame everything on colonialists. There was no alphabet and spellings when they came.

    • Dlodlo

      Yah, we are not blaming them juc correcting what we now deem as misspellings.

      • ProudlyNdebele

        The white colonialists had great respect for Mthwakazi. They preserved our history in terms of the naming of suburbs, schools and Bulawayo and Victoria Falls are the only cities that retained their names post-white colonialism. It just shows that whites whatever their sins they have Ubuntu

  • Thabani

    Don’t stop there… Rename Burnside, Hillside, and Morningside etc after all the noble Gaza and Mthwakazi leaders.

    • Anonymous

      Usuhlanya wena.What’s wrong with those beautiful names?

    • Mukoma Reggie

      They should be renamed after our gallant leaders who brought peace to Matabeleland, like P. Shiri, E. Nkala and our future pres the Crocodile!

      • Bul-24/7

        Well, well … if its not a little tribalistic piece of human manure creeping out of the woodwork? Listen up Reggie….. Your sarcasm is noted and rest assured that you and all who support such views, shall have to pay the price for the “peace” that those dogs brought. Tell us …. what does a proposed change of names have to do with the business of the murder of 20000 innocent souls?

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        Most of you people need psychological reconditioning. Your tendency to view everything that has to do with Mthwakazi with the cattle and women prism from those fire-place fairytales is hindering your progress in this modern world. This is 2016 – wake up!!

        • Wahoo McDaniel

          Very true and well said

  • vagician

    Bulawayo should be renamed to Bhul’abawayo

    • Jairos Jiri

      No! it should be renamed Harare jr.

    • SANDILE NARE

      It’s ‘bhu’ but (bu). kwaBulawayo and not kwaBhulawayo

      • SANDILE NARE

        Correction. It’s NOT (bhu) but (bu) as in kwaBulawayo and not kwaBhulawayo.

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          Correct. There is a KwaBulawayo in KwaZulu Natal too. People should learn these things!

  • Mpisi

    Change that Robert Mgodoyi st to Grey st.

    • Bul-24/7

      No. It should be changed to King Mzilikazi Street!

      • Wahoo McDaniel

        I’m Ndebele but eish Gray street sounds better than that “King Mzilikazi Street” vomit. Not in this day and age ndoda hayibo!!

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          You see what I mean. You definitely aren’t Ndebele. Yeka ukukleyima mfowethu!!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            I’m Ndebele why should we be playing with the names of our ancestors like that.

          • Bul-24/7

            Stop it! We are aware of your origins and agenda. Your trite comments and responses to them are clogging up the trail. Let’s free some space for serious comments that address the subject matter!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Well on verbal assault, I’ve demonstrated over the years that I’m in a league of my own so please let’s not go there, please I beg you.

          • Bul-24/7

            Got ya! Run boy ….. run as fast as you can! !!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Yo Why tell me ta run when in actual fact you be da one who’s supposed ta be running?

            I done did all da running back in junior high when we wuz growing up. Now I face all muh adversaries head on an’ I knock dem ta da canvas wif muh serious jabs an’ uppercuts, aimed squarely on they jaws knomsayin’

          • Bul-24/7

            You won’t understand this since you’re too stupid and immature. You have been successfully drawn out, fell for the bate and exposed yourself. You’re the same little sh*t who a few weeks ago used to insult and threaten other users on this platform with silly comments written in capitals. Truth is you’re shona, immensely stupid and not worth any time! People like you are in for a sound beating because your parents didn’t understand the word discipline! Don’t think it won’t happen ….. with an attitude like your’s, it merely a matter of time. You’re going to run into the wrong person … soon.

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            WRONG PERSON, I’VE RUN INTO YOU, IS THERE ANY OTHER WRONG PERSON OTHER THAN YOU!!

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Yaaaah, neeh?

  • bh

    Good Move Bulawayo. Asilungiseni sigcine ulimi.

  • Anonymous

    It looks like only the letter “h” was missing in almost all the names.

  • koka

    good move Maphosa. uyindoda emadodeni. lets restore our culture and fight zanu grand plan directed at destroying our rich culture. zanu is the new colonialists in Mthwakazi.

    • Khuya

      Don’t lose focus ndoda. Izanu ikwana ngaphi la?
      Great move BCC! Keep up the good work!

      • koka

        izanu is the biggest problem we have in Mthwakazi because they are filling all govt vacancies with shona people, they are allocating land that should go to the locals to shona people, they are bringing shona teachers who can’t speak Ndebele to teach primary school kids in Mthwakazi. this is all part of the plan to destroy Ndebele language and culture. vula mehlo ndoda. lababantu abalunganga

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      How many accidents have been caused by traffic lights not functioning yet you want the broke Council to change spellings and at whose cost?

      Certainly not at the expense of the already poor masses who are battling unemployment, with Bulawayo being the hardest hit nationwide.

      • Truth

        why are u so upbeat about this, what do u stand to lose or gain??

        • Wahoo McDaniel

          I’m bitter because there is a stream of raw sewage flowing right in front of my gate and it’s been like this close to 2 months now. Yet someone is suggesting that funds and effort be channeled towards spellings ahead of such looming health hazards.

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          I have always said that if you look at the two epochs – the periods of white colonial rule in Rhodesia vs the Black Shona rule in Zimbabwe; isn’t it funny that the Ndebele language survived and thrived under a white government; yet it is fast dying under a black government?
          Most people continue to sing the mantra of tribal wars as a reason for their anti Ndebele feelings; yet remain oblivious to the fact that in Zimbabwe, they have been made to continue top feel this way because of the Mugabe tribalistic govt which has used this as a divide and rule tactic to stay in power.
          They forget that tribal wars were all over Africa, not just in Zimbabwe. South Africans don’t seem bothered about this tribal war thing compared to Zimbabweans; yet Shaka was even worse; why is this so? This is what continues to drive some people and their destructive attitudes towards the Ndebele language.
          That other languages were sacrificed under successive colonial governments is really not the fault of the Ndebele – its the white Missionaries and their governments who decided on this, not the Ndebele.
          For instance, the same white missionaries decided to use Zezuru as a basis for the modern Shona and ignored other dialects like Karanga, Manyika. But I don’t find these same anti Shona attitudes among these people – though Shona remains 99% Zezuru. Why?
          So my friend given what I have sketched above; this it is clear this fellow wants to see the complete destruction and end of the Ndebele and the Ndebele identity. That’s what he wants to see happen eventually. That is what explains why he appears so keen on this to the extent of repeating himself everywhere!!

  • force

    lets rub the history quickly please and start afresh because it is not part of us we were never colonised.

    • Kabatshe

      Yu are ,Zimbabwe was colonised period. Zimbabwe is not a tribe or clan but country with is natural resources and its people colonised by the British read history

  • Mwalimu

    One of the noticeable changes was the representation of the voiced lateral

    fricative[ɮ]. It had originally been represented by and was now represented by

    . I could not establish the reasons for the change but one can note that Zulu had

    already been using the digraph for the voiced lateral fricative. Around 1930s

    there were further changes made (probably by the Missionary Conference) in the

    Ndebele spelling, culminating in the orthographic reforms of 1953-6 (Mhlabi 1992)

    which set out that should represent aspiration. Th ere was a notable change in

    the marking of the aspirated sounds like /p, b, t / by digraphs , and

    respectively. Earlier on there was no distinction to mark these phonemes in Ndebele,

    for example bala [ɓ ](to write) was spelt like bala [b] (to read). With the marking of

    aspiration, the two words are spelt bhala (to write) and bala (to read).

    Th e marking of aspiration was not without its problems. Having made amendments

    in the orthography by recognising and representing aspiration with the

    symbol, there was the problem of removing the symbol in some words where it was

    felt to be of no value. Th e symbol of aspiration had been wrongly extended to

    /d /, and some words were spelt with as in indhlovu (elephant) for indlovu

    (elephant). Ndebele does not distinguish the soft and the heavy /d / as is the case

    with other Bantu languages like Shona. In this instance is not necessary but its

    removal met some resistance.

    Interestingly enough, some people refused to incorporate the symbol in their

    names, like Th emba, Bhekuzulu or Siphiwe would remain Temba, Bekuzulu or

    Sipiwe respectively. Th e problem has been more acute in family or clan names where

    the use of the is perceived as compromising their ethnic identity. Th e Khumalo

    clan name is a case in point. Some still spell their surnames in the old orthography as

    Kumalo without the and they emphasize that even in speech they would declare

    that they are the Khumalos without the aspiration symbol. Yet they pronounce the

    sound with an aspiration.

    Although the was dropped it still remains in some Ndebele surnames like

    Dhlamini, Ndhlovu and Ndhlela. In the current orthography, these are spelt as Dlamini,

    Ndlovu and Ndlela respectively.

    • Mwalimu

      Therefore the names cannot be attributed to colonialism, it was actually a case of orthography of the day!!! I beg to differ with Maphosa, the reason for updating should solely be on orthography grounds.

    • mjahunda

      well said.., hope this maphosa man will see this instead of making noise without facts..,

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        Maphosa is right; in my view.

    • Essexvale

      It seems that your comment come out in defence of the misspelled isiNdebele names. You have set your own trap by using a long winded and unnecessarily technically sounding discourse that was written presumably by a colonialist who obviously is not of Ndebele origin. The requested name changes have been proposed to an Ndebele controlled city council by a person of Ndebele origin; and that is where the essential difference lies.

      • Mwalimu

        @Essexvale, I lifted this from a paper by Hadebe on a Doctoral Thesis on the development of the Ndebele language. I am not defending the mispelled Ndebele names. All I am saying is that when they were written it was the correct orthography of the day. The reason for changing these must not be attributed to the ills of colonialists! It must be purely that the written language has evolved.

        • Essexvale

          Thank you for the advice; it is greatly appreciated.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      This is exactly why some of us consider ourselves Nguni, not Ndebele. The so-called Ndebele is a bastardised language in my view – it doesn’t exist. In my days at school, we used Zulu set books; hence we learnt good and proper Ndebele which was 99% Zulu. Nguni languages are soft languages in pronunciation – there are no heavy sounds, hence the none use of the “h”, which is very common in Shona. There is a clear difference in sound between “di” and “dhi”; with the former much softer and the later much heavier. I just don’t understand why a real KHUMALO would prefer to spell his surname as KUMALO for instance – that’s crazy!

  • musa

    isn’t Nketa a recent suburb? recent as in way after independence? so why blame colonialists? it’s just incompetence

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      Yes Nketa was built by the then Founders Building society way way after independence.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      Even black people have been colonised; hence they copy everything done by whites, including the misspelling of their own languages. Here in Mzansi we have Black people and their black government who to this day continue to mispel Khayalami for Kyalami!
      Look at the way Nyamayendlovu is mispellt as Nyamandlovu in Mthwakazi? The Black Zim government even went further to mispel Whange as Hwange – the Shona spelling version; yet Nambyans are not Shona.
      They could have checked with Chief Whange and the people of the region to get the correct spelling.
      I doubt they even know what the word means – as long as its Shonalised; its fine by them – that is all that matters. So this is not just a problem with whites – even Shona people who are black do it.

      • Bul-24/7

        Here is an opportunity for you to show your worth. You’ve noted the errors; now why don’t you lobby for their correction? We in Bulawayo and Mthwakazi will be playing our part in this regard.

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          In Zim; all such noble efforts are attacked as tribalism. That’s the problem!

          • Essexvale

            Then if we are labelled tribalists for telling the truth; lets wear that title with pride!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Very true mfowethu, actually some of us are prepared to do so.

  • Truth

    l dont see anything wrong with u writing to the council and tell them that, its your right in as much as it was Maphosa ‘s right to write to the council about what affects him. His priorities and yours are different. Yor conerns are genuine but dont u think u r airing them to the wrong persons….follow Maphosa’s footsteps, u may learn one or two things

  • Wahoo McDaniel

    Actually how many lives have been lost due to traffic lights not functioning along Hyde Park Road (Road to Pumula)? I once witnessed a Kombi that was almost cut in half by a truck in the early hours at the Magwegwe cemetery robot controlled intersection last year luckily the Kombi had the driver only and he escaped with minor injuries.

    What’s more important in as much as safeguarding lives is concerned, spelling correction or servicing of traffic lights.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      Why did they change the name of the country immediately at independence from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe? Where there no more urgent and immediate needs then? Please; give us a break!

      • Wahoo McDaniel

        The name change was necessitated by the urgent need to try and rid ourselves of the memories of the colonial era afflictions.

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          Its 36 years down the line; you are still singing “Zimbabwe will never be a colony again”. You attack the UK and whites to this day – so; this was money wasted then? There are far more poorer blacks today than there were in 1980? There are far more black people who are refugees in foreign lands today, than there ever were during the armed struggle despite the name change. So your response doesn’t hold water!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Eish waze wang’tshonela kanti awusela yini eminye imisebenzi mfowethu, if you understand what I’ve just said.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Your excuse for the change of the country’s name needed an appropriate response!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            And is there anything appropriate in all that you’ve said

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Well; you can take it or leave it. No problem!

        • vuthelinkani

          have gotten rid of them so far mr wahoo. ask the people they will tell you its still the same

    • Essexvale

      It becomes apparent that your comments on this subject are motivated by “sour grapes’ i.e. the fact that there are no Shona names included in the proposed changes. You are of shona origin; right?

      • Wahoo McDaniel

        Nope, I’m Mthwakazi origin and will always be a proud Bulawayo resident.

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          Never!!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            I can’t worry myself about you.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Yes. Please don’t!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            My vocab is mightier than yours, that we’re proved. So why worry over a fly when in a jungle full of predators.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Yes. As I said, please don’t!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Yes let’s go on till you drop, I can see you’re testing my verbal endurance

          • Bul-24/7

            Are you typing with your vocal cords?

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            If that’s possible yes.

          • Bul-24/7

            I see. One of those wakos who think that they were there in the beginning when the earth was void! At the time of the Creation, I mean!

  • Wahoo McDaniel

    I personally don’t think this Khumbulani Maphosa character is resident in Bulawayo, if so he should be wise enough to be aware of the many ills bedeviling the city and threatening the livelihoods of people that should be accorded much importance than his name change nonsense.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      The more immediate and urgent challenges the city of KwaBulawayo faces do not render it unnecessary and unwise to raise the issue of colonial era misspellings.
      Were you to argue about his request “…that the Bulawayo City Council expeditiously consider….”; I would agree with you, given the dire straits I which the economy is presently in.
      Now consider this – was the change of the name of the country from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe that urgent given the challenges of black poverty and lack of development in predominantly black areas? The same argument applies to the change of the capital city’s name from Salisbury to Harare and many other such places? The answer is a big fat NO!!

    • magents

      I think you are one of those people who call Bulawayo ,bhuruwayo

      • Wahoo McDaniel

        And I think you’re one of those who frequent dirty alleys trying to buy some opportunity to lay with a woman.

  • Bro Themba

    Atleast the colonial government tried to inclusive.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      You can say that again. That is why I remain a proud Mthwakazi Rhodesian deep down to my soul. Hay amanyala la esinawo namhlanje. These people have no conscience at all.
      You find a whole delegation that is 100% Shona representing Zimbabwe overseas. It doesn’t even prick them or their consciences at all because they have none. They are just plain backward.

  • Essexvale

    You failed to take note of a key aspect in the report. Had you done so; it would not have been necessary for you to pose your numerous question on the subject. This aspect is captured in the concluding sentence of the story and effectively states that council agreed that changing of the disputed names will only be done “as and when” funds become available for the purpose. To me; this is indicative that the Bulawayo City Council has got its priorities right concerning the provision of decent services. The sentiments that council expressed are very clearly that the changes will be made in line with their sequence on the list of importance. As for the perceived triviality that you accord to Khumbulani Maphosa’s request and BCC’s response to it; please note that the city council had already raised concern on the subject and therefore Mr Maphosa’s enquiry only acted as the trigger for the required action to be taken.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      Mfowethu; this guy Wahoo McDaniel’s problem is tribal or racial, depending on whether he is black or white – that is all. He is simply not coming out in the open; choosing instead to hide behind costs, urgency, triviality etc, etc.
      If anything, how come Rhodesia was renamed Zimbabwe overnight – a whole country that had numerous economic and racial disparity challenges in almost every sphere of life? Why was that never an issue?
      We have to accept that in Zimbabwe – we have tribally, racially and psychologically damaged souls – victims of Mugabe’s 36 years of hate campaigns. Therefore, we will always have these die hard haters of the people of Matebeleland/Mthwakazi within our midst. This is why some don’t even want to hear the name Mthwakazi, preferring instead the colonial name of Matebeleland!!

      • Wahoo McDaniel

        I’m also Mthawakazi for your own information. I’m a concerned resident of this once Beautiful City, a city where we used to watch live, The best music group “Ilanga” performing at Waverly and Selborne Hotel on weekends.

        • Bul-24/7

          Lies, lies and more lies. Come out into the open. You are trapping yourself in the tangle of all those lies you put forward!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Well, first of all you didn’t even know what “Ilanga” was, 2). Your knowledge of Waverly is based on the now defunct hotel which is now harbouring prostitutes and illegal activities of which you’re a product of. 3). If you don’t know some things just shut up rather than making a fool of yourself

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Living in Bulawayo does not make you a Mthwakazi in blood and soul. You are a Mthwakazi on paper; like some whites who are African on paper because they were born, bred and live in Africa; yet they remain keen on the destruction of anything African!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            I hear you, how about explaining my Zwide ka Langa origins?

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            That means nothing if the Zwide ka Langa is not burning inside you. There are many Khumalos today who cant say a word in Ndebele or Zulu. All they carry is a name tag. I remember reading about a Mzilikazi in Manicaland, who was terrorising people over there on behalf of ZANU PF. I also read about a Khumalo of St Mary’s in Harare of the MDC-T. Most of these people speak Shona and know nothing about Ndebele or Zulu or Xhosa!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            That’s your subjective view point that viewpoint that.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            But I have given you examples. This is what matters!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Well, what if I’m not in agreement with your points, will you force feed them down my throat.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            No. I have no time to waste with Mugabe like heads!

          • Bul-24/7

            Please stop giving anymore time by responding to this person. The trail is getting too long and complex.His agenda is known and that’s all that counts. .

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            What agenda wena khandakhulu, it must a new word in your vocab, hence you now throwing it anywhere?

          • Bul-24/7

            Thanks for the advice; but I’m not buying! As for your crude insults; they are an indication that you are on the back-foot having realised that you’ve been caught in your silly act!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Nope, you were trying to be “Big Headed” for nothing, I’m actually surprised that your legs are made of jelly. Just one uppercut and you’re already knocked down and on the Canvas.

            Can I have better contenders please!!

          • Bul-24/7

            It’s easy to make idle threats while hiding behind a faceless platform like this.

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            I mearnt it I’m a verbal giant, don’t try me, some have regretted such actions. At least you’ve been warned.

          • Bul-24/7

            I’m still not buying …. neither do I feel the slightest intimidation due to your immature musings!

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          Its Mthwakazi; not Mthawakazi!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            That’s just a minor spelling mistake, ungaze uqinele knonokho lawe, uzayangisa mani!!

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Foreign influences in our language should always be nipped in the bud in case they get out of hand!!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            True that, you like me. I fight for our culture to be preserved.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            Now you are talking!

        • gway’lide

          sukhuluma manje. vuka mbizo ilanga lisabalele

      • Essexvale

        I’m fully with you concerning your views on this person’s comments. And yes I recognise the hidden agenda behind his/hers/its comments. I also suspect old Jotham is using a different name again!

        • Wahoo McDaniel

          I’m also Mthawakazi for your own information. I’m a concerned resident of this once Beautiful City, a city where we used to watch live, The best music group “Ilanga” fronted by Don Gumbo and Busi Ncube performing at Waverly and Selborne Hotel on weekends.!

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      Thanks for the correction, though if you had also read my comment carefully, you should have seen that it was for Mr Maphosa not the Council. Our City council is really trying its level best to get things in shape.

  • Top S’gelekeqe

    You have a problem with the Ndebele and the Ndebele language. Please admit it – stop beating about the bush. I know your kind!

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      How can I have a problem with my own language and my own tribe?

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        It cant be your language if you have no problem in it dying my man. It cant be. Look at the way the Afrikaaaners and the Afrikaans students have been fighting tooth and nail recently for their Afrikaans language at University, which the black students want removed!!

        • Wahoo McDaniel

          So let’s go and fight for the Ndebele language to be the official language at NUST

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            How is that possible wena uyimpimpi?

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            That’s where I have a problem with some people, “Uyangsukela siphakathi kwe Discussion as if lami ubumbulu kangibenelisi”. Ungenzi njalo mfowethu please I beg you.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            But what should I say makuyikuthi; awunakho ukushiseka ngo buntu bakho ngaphakathi?

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            How do you see, let alone measure that kangishiseki?

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            That ok!

          • vuthelinkani

            nxa ungasimbulu ungasimbuluzeli vela egcekeni khwathe

          • Papa Wa Ofentse Le Nqobile

            Your begging is so unbecoming . Ungumfoka bani wena McDaniel ? Awusho izithakazelo zakho njengo muntu wesintwini ?

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Mntungwa,
            Mbulaz’omnyama,
            Nina bakaBhej’ eseNgome,
            Nin’ enadl’umuntu nimyenga ngendaba,
            Nin’ enadl’ izimf’ezimbili ikhambi laphuma lilinye,
            Lobengula kaMzilikazi,
            Mzilikazi kaMashobana,
            Shobana noGasa kaZikode,
            Zikode kaMkhatshwa,
            Okhatshwe ngezind’ izinyawo nangezimfushanyana,

  • Top S’gelekeqe

    Could someone out there explain why there was the urgency on the following – yet we black people were desperate for upliftment:
    1. From Rhodesia to Zimbabwe;
    2. Salisbury to Harare;
    3. Sinoia to Chinhoyi;
    4 Marandellas to Marondera;
    5. Que Que to another meaningless misspelling of Kwekwe; instead of the correct Qwe Qwe
    6. Gatooma to Kadoma;
    7. Imbizo Township in Que Que to the wrong Shiona version of Imbizvo;
    8. Gwelo to the wrong Gweru instead of Gwelu;
    9. Wankie to Hwange instead of Whange;
    10. Umtali to Mutare;
    The list is endless. Has that improved the economy of the country? If no; so why was it done? Mozambique is still Mozambique – that has not killed them. Angola is still Angola, that has not killed them. South Africa remains South Africa to this day – they have not died from that either.
    Why are these changes ok only if they suit some people and their languages; but not ok if they are about other people’s languages? Why? Why do they become trivial?

    • velamthakathi

      uyabona wena sgelekeqe singabusa sonke izinto zingaqonda.

    • mhlathutshekile

      People distorted these name because they had an agenda to delete ethinical boundaries.

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        The one which riles me more is this Hwange, for Whange. I don’t know why the Nambyans and their Chief don’t rise up!

    • mshaye aze afe

      shows us the devolution map sgelekeqe

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        What is that?

  • magents

    Good point maphosa

  • Wahoo McDaniel

    This name change is not necessary, at least for now as there are more pressing issues to be dealt with. This is what we have deduced from our very informative discussions. Thank you all who contributed. The discussion has been closed and any further comments on the above after this are now irrelevant. For today, I’m not commenting further than this. Take care and see you next time!!

  • 9erre9

    is it the VPs idea ? the one who is living in hotel not a Hut ?! what a waste of money and people are starving

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      As much as people criticise him; VP Mphoko is the first real VP in the Gukurahundi to represent Mthwakazi since Dr Joshua Nkomo. He represents Mthwakazi by speaking the truth on tribalism. He warned the nation against the Zezuru Karanga tribal infighting – that its not good for Zim; whilst most ZANU Pfs have been sweeping this under the carpet from the days of Zambia, Mozambique.
      Rugare Gumbo and Hamadziripi were buried alive in Mozambique because of this problem. Gumbo continues to suffer up to this day because of this problem. Karangas are sacrificed for nothing else other than their tribe despite their numbers, all because of this problem.
      VP Mphoko is the first one since Nkomo to speak his language Ndebele freely wherever he addresses meetings and rallies all over the country as provided for by the constitution; unlike the cowardly John Nkomo – good riddance.
      VP Mphoko is the first and highest authority in the land from Mthwakazi to grace the yearly King Mzilikazi commemorations. Hail Mphoko! Hail Mphoko. He who makes no apologies for who he is – a proud Mthwakazi!

      • Essexvale

        My, my Top. Is this not going over the top? I mean, it’s Okay to show appreciation for the guy’s demonstration of ethnic pride, but don’t you think over praise is a dangerous thing? People come to consider themselves gods as a result and that’s where the abuse of power and human rights begin. The word “Hail” is the same as Bayethe in isiNdebele. I don’t think that the VP in question is anywhere worthy of such an accolade!

        • Doctor Do little

          As long as he remains a denier of what took place in the 80′s there is no ethnic pride. For me that is the gauge. Rather you keep quiet about it and do your work for the people.

          • Top S’gelekeqe

            The denial is tactical and strategic. You cant be braizen when faced with a formidable enemy. The denial is not genuine!

  • Mugavimbi_Naledi

    only SANITY can come from Bulawayo … well done

    We will soon be renaming misspelt and misnamed (Shonalized) town and city names as follows:

    Kwekwe (eQweQwe)
    Gweru (eKhwelo)
    Kadoma (Kwaduma)
    Masvingo – a complete misnomer (eNyanda)
    Gokwe (Gogwe)
    Shurugwi (Selukwe – pronounced in siNdebele which meant ‘selukwe isizwe’!)
    Filabusi (Mfelabuso)
    Gwanda – misname (Jawunda)
    Kezi (Khezi)
    Lalapansi (Lalaphansi), etc, etc

    We will also rename some Bulawayo suburbs and streets correctly:

    Njube (Prince Njube)
    Lobhengula Street (King Lobjengula)
    Mzilikazi (King Mzilikazi)

    And all those ‘beergardens’ named after King Lobengula’s wives we will pull down and build decent and community-useful things and name these after King Lobengula’s wife, such as:

    Queen Lozigeyi
    Queen MaMkwanazi
    Queen MaDlodlo
    Queen Masilela

    The real work has begun …..

    • Essexvale

      Good thinking. Yes we need to run with this idea and make it a reality!

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      kikikiki, real work?

      Correcting spellings, then what will we call trying to ensure that the City has adequate water supplies?

    • Tonde

      Bring back Rhodes street in honour of Rhodes Khumalo.kikikikiki

      • Bul-24/7

        Only this time call it Rhodes Khumalo Street. Hello Tonde you little piece of sh*t. Up to your silly tribalistic jibes I see? Look for a toilet near you and do what you must. People like you are not worth the oxygen you breathe!

        • Tonde

          But I was agreeing with you. Only leave out the Khumalo as we have a suburb called that. Southerners are so uncooperative eish

      • Papa Wa Ofentse Le Nqobile

        Shut up swina , grown men talking here.

        • Bul-24/7

          Change the letter a in swina for an e and you’ll have the right description of this bugger!

          • Papa Wa Ofentse Le Nqobile

            LOL !!! Swine , ingulube . I think I might just be elevating him to a mammal . He is actually way below a pig according to me.

          • Tonde

            But I know southerners called Ngulube. NOW YOU INSULTING THEM ARE YOU?

          • Papa Wa Ofentse Le Nqobile

            You are dumber than I thought ,

          • Tonde

            Hush Papa

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            KIKIKIKI KWAAAAAAAAA

          • Tonde

            Two gaskets

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            what, what!!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Yo Desist from telling me ’boutblowing a gasket, I’ve never spoken ’bouthow you always gots some loose screws in ya head if you know what I’m sayin`! slap mah fro!

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            KIKIKI KWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA KWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

          • Tonde

            Them man just blew a gasket kikikik

          • Wahoo McDaniel

            Yo muh SYSTEM wuz OVERHEATING FROM DEALING WIf SOME DUNDERHEADS ON dis here HERE PLATFORM. SO I’M KINDA COOLING DOWN, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYin`!! Ya’ know what I’m sayin’?

        • Mhlakazanhlansi

          why make it so easy for people to notice the difference ….?
          but there again …. you can’t help it. Can you?

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          I always why Shonas simply can’t focus their dirty stinking noses to the Shona provinces that are suffering from poverty and underdevelopment and leave our Mthwakazi provinces alone? What exactly is their problem? Inferiority complex is the only explanation!

  • BhudRay

    Actually the first time these names were written it was not a misspelling. the Ndebele syllable had no H to emphasize deeper words before the 1960s change that was effected. Phu was Pu, Bhe was Be, etc. Buza otitsha bakudala we mfokaMaphosa

  • Top S’gelekeqe

    Maar, why I you repeating yourself?

  • Doctor Do little

    Sometimes I just read and enjoy the debates from our younger people (said with respect) and it makes me proud.I don’t believe a change of names at this time an point is a priority. I however believe that Maphosa’s opinions must be applauded because if we sit around and not talk about our identity we will forget who we are. I also think that those that erred on the spelling of these names did not do it purposely. That the corrections need to be effected is an understatement. That we try to erase our history is foolish. Our colonial past is part of our history and our descendants need to know what happened in the past. What has been said here by you guys must be corrected but we have to document what we corrected and why.
    It does not need to be done over night but it must be done.Marcus Garvey once said “A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots.”

  • God of War

    Is this Maphosa guy even employed; cz he seems to have a lot of time on his hands to think about small things!

    • Doctor Do little

      There are many with that name. Could be his the one that was an Officer at Habakkuk Trust who advocated for justice, accountability, transparency, rule of law, good governance, democracy and development. The chronicle is sometimes very vague

      • Dumi

        Do you know him?

        • Doctor Do little

          I know of him.

    • BPN

      To you it is a small thing but to us proudly Ndebele its a big thing coz its an insult to our mother language,

      • God of War

        How much weight will you gain and how much money will you go bank when you change the names of it? This is much ado about nothing.

        • magents

          What we want is those names changed as soon as possible

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          Typical Shona Gukurahundi. Why don’t you ask yourselves the same questions regarding your changing our country’s name from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe?

      • Top S’gelekeqe

        I have wondered why in Rhodesia there were no such mispellings. Obviously Shona Gukurahundis are more evil than whites!

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      VERY TRUE

      • Dumi

        KIKIKI DA

    • Wahoo McDaniel

      Very true as if all this will put FOOD ON HIS TABLE

  • Twice Mabuza

    Let us not only correct the street names. If you are a Zimbabwean passport holder, please read in your passport, in a paragraph where it says; ISAZISO KWABAHAMBAYO. The correct word for VISA in Ndebele is: VIZA. But here it’s written; IVHIZA, which is completely wrong. The go to the last page of your passport, page 48 and read paragraph number 2, writeen in Ndebele where it says,( Akuvhunyelwa). this is totally wron. The correct word:( Akuvunyelwa). In the same paragraph it says; (epejini). The correct word is.( ephejini) Therefore, it is important to understand what is written in our passports. So lets fight for this correction too.

    • Freedom

      I totally agree with you there. People may say a lot of unnecessary things about this Maphosa guy but I believe he raised an important issue which won’t only adress the colonial erra’s mispellings but current ones too. The problem is not only colonial as this is still happening now. For example they was a spelling mistake on a Chicken Inn advert in addition to the rubish written on our passports. Well done to Maphosa, we need more people like him.

    • blarazonke

      I used tipex and corrected the needful.

  • Mwalimu

    https://www.edd.uio.no/allex/ibooks/Hadebe/Hadebe.pdf
    Please refer to this paper on the mispelt names.

  • Bro Themba

    I have just passed Rhodesia Rd ,SW9 ,near Brixton, London.Im just sending an email to the local councilor for it to be changed to Zimbabwe rd.

  • blarazonke

    Kkkkk, they were moderating my dear.

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      Why are you repeating yourself?

  • Bro Themba

    Is Matebeleland not meant to be Mandebeleland?

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      Its meant to be Mthwakazi. Matebeleland is colonial.

  • Lunga

    How much is this going to cost ratepayers??let’s fix pressing issues first,potholes ,street lights etc..

    • Top S’gelekeqe

      How much did it cost taxpayers to change the name from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe? Was it really necessary or urgent? What did you benefit from the change?

      • Tonde

        Ndex Okapi province is better…

        • Papa Wa Ofentse Le Nqobile

          …..& Mashonaland ?? MaSwinaland perhaps ?

        • Top S’gelekeqe

          A typical Shona Gukurahundi!

    • benjamin

      I am equally baffled. Kombies are now avoiding certain routes because of potholes. Refuse collection, water, you name it, and someone talks seriously of splashing money on “Correcting surbaub names”…. ????

  • Wahoo McDaniel

    Yo pimpz I’ve just lost it, so I’m sorry ta say. From dis here moment onwards expect anythin`. So till I find muh brain, it’s uh rumble in da Jungle or iz it “da thriller in Manilla”.

    From dis here moment onwards I’m throwing wild heavy punches an’ if you happen ta be in da way & I catch you wif one, Tough Luck Bozo!! otay buh-weet

  • benjamin

    I think let’s first focus on things like water, sewarage, roads, refuse collection, housing backlog etc before we can consider some of these luxuries

  • Wahoo McDaniel

    The Tonde fool made me loose it.

  • Julie

    Is it possible to change the “Robert Mugabe Way” to something else that doesn’t bring bad memories?

    • Freedom

      Lol, That one must be the first one to be changed.

  • Top S’gelekeqe

    What about Mthwakazi? Everybody knows Mthwakazi because Mthwakazi is Matebeleland provinces. So what’s new about that?