Local chiefs being consulted on Ndebele Kingdom revival

Prince Zwide Khumalo

Prince Zwide Khumalo

Nqobile Tshili, Chronicle Correspondent
LOCAL chiefs are being consulted on the revival of the Ndebele Kingdom, with seven traditional leaders having been consulted so far.

In a statement, King Lobengula Royal Family Trust spokesperson Prince Zwide Khumalo said traditional leaders among other Nguni royal families are critical in efforts to revive the monarch.

“Seven Chiefs have so far been consulted and informed by the King Lobengula House. There are lined up consultation meetings with more chiefs and other stakeholders,” said Prince Khumalo.

“The advocacy programme is an important part of the road map towards re-enacting the Ndebele Monarch as the Lobengula House prefers an inclusive and a united approach. Consultation with other Nguni Royal families by the King Lobengula House based in Bulawayo, has also started in earnest.”

Prince Khumalo said accountability, inclusivity and unity will be the guiding pillars for the monarch’s revival.

He said at the end of the month, the royal family should be in a position to announce the progress made regarding the revival of the monarch.

“The end of this month in particular will be very critical or should one say that it will mark the true turning point to the long process of re-enacting the Umthwakazi Monarch. Have hope and keep your fingers crossed,” said Prince Khumalo.

Deputy President of the Chiefs Council, Chief Mtshane, said although individual chiefs may have been consulted over the issue, the matter has not been brought to their assembly.

“It might be true that they might have approached individual chiefs but they have not approached our assemblies. We will wait for them to approach us as an assembly on how far they have gone,” he said.

Chief Mtshane said the royal family should be forgiven for taking its time on the matter as the revival of a monarch requires thorough research.

@nqotshili

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  • makhosi

    Interesting indeed. This proud Kingdom should never die.

    • Changamire Chaminuka

      You are right but this kingdom should be somewhere in KZN. This(Zimbabwe) is part of the great Munhumutapa’s territory and you cannot set up a kingdom within another kingdom-that’s being provocative and disrespectful.

      • makhosi

        When the Kingdom got to Bulawayo they defeated everything in their path, including Chaminuka. Lowo ke bamhlinza eNguboyenja. Let by-gones be gone. Its just our heritage, nothing personal

        • MTHWAKAZI RESTORATION AGENDA

          Again, its crazy that people who grabbed Khoisan Southern African lands keep misleading our youth as to who the true owners of the land between the two rivers really are.
          Stealing land and keeping it for a 1 000 years does not and can never make it yours, whatever the circumstances. Stolen property remains stolen property, even if the thief keeps it for as long as he can and as long as he wants. Once a thief, always a thief. Shona land thieves were beaten in their land thieving game by the Mthwakazi land thieves.
          Later, both the Shona land thieves, who now occupied Mashonaland in the North and the East, and the Mthwakazi land thieves who now occupied Mthwakazi in the West and South under King Lobhengula were also beaten at their land thieving games by new White English land thieves from Europe.
          Its actually funny that among all three land thieves; partly because of ZANU PF’s revisionist false Shona nationalism that they started in Mozambique, only the Shona land thieves believe their own lies that they are the original and legitimate owners of the land between the two rivers; just because they were the first to do the land thieving, before the other two. A case of the pot calling the kettle Black for sure!!

          • vusumuzi

            i believe when we got back to our senses as blacks, we realized we needed each other, and therefore banded together, agreed to live harmoniously together as children of the soil , yet some habd another agenda for “after Independence” , hence this turmoil . We were supposed to have an RSA style of Unity but it seems country fell into some hands……………which still drip blood , same blood that dripped on Smith’s hands, of innocent unarmed Zimbabwean citizens, who had just come out of a WAR !!!!

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            What I find most irritating about the Shonas who make a lot of noise about the tribal wars of the past, is that you will never get any proposal for a solution going forward from them, nadda? When it suits them, it appears like Gukurahundi was some revenge for these wars.

            But then again you ask yourself; if Gukurahundi was revenge, then it means they got what they wanted phela? revenging on behalf of their ancestors; so what else do they want? Why continue to harp on this tribal wars thing when you have already revenged?

          • Afghan Reporter

            It’s because if you engage the clutch more than necessary you’ll wear it off and it’s an expensive component to replace.

      • Top Sgelekeqe

        Dream on. This is Khoisan land mfanekhaya, and they are our relatives. The clicks in our languages says it all. So please park that one!

  • Essexvale

    Although, as a citizen of Mthwakazi, I laud the concept of a sovereign Ndebele state, my greater concern in this regard hinges on the experience pertaining to the dictatorial nature of monarchies. Surely, having as humans gone through disastrous eras driven by monarchical rule, citizen’s living in the 21st century would do better by opting for the democratic republican model of government where the people hold power as opposed to a top – down system. One only needs to study the plethora of challenges being experienced in Lesotho and Swaziland which are classified as fragile states and are run by monarchies. Alternatively, the British, Netherlands and Scandinavian models of monarchies which are characterised by a ceremonial head of state who presides over a democratic government headed by a prime minister, might be the way to go. But of course these are my personal opinions which I’m prepared to lay aside in favour of a majority decision taken on this matter.

    • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

      I think like many people opposed to the Mthwakazi Monarchy, you are making the same mistake of conflating the Monarchy with the state and its governance systems.
      My understanding of the current initiatives towards a Monarch is that it will have nothing to do with the State and how its governed, just like it is in the UK and Lesotho.
      It is also my understanding that this is a private initiative by the Royal Khumalos Household and those who share their cause; and it is merely rooted on language and cultural identity, and nothing more. Here we are not talking about the likes of the absolute Monarch of Swaziland for instance, that essentially govern Swaziland; where State resources are expended on its upkeep.
      I would want to see the Monarchy being sustained by those who subscribe to it, through sponsorships, donations and contributions to some Trust or Fund. The Monarchy could set up companies for instance, whose profits will be used to support the institution. Seeing that we are a nation of diverse cultures, it should have nothing to do with government and those opposed to it should simply leave it alone to pursue its objectives unhindered.

      • Essexvale

        Thank you for your response. Please rest assured that it is appreciated. However; I did state that my comment is based upon a personal opinion in addition to admitting that I am willing to go with a majority decision concerning the subject,

        • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

          I agree. As long as its a private citizens’ cultural and linguistic identity initiative that has nothing to do with the State of Zimbabwe or its resources; I really don’t see anything wrong. It is only a problem to the rogue incorrigible tribalists out there!!

    • The Watcher

      I agree with your views to a certain extent. Dictatorial tendencies of monarchies are detrimental to civil liberties in this 21st century. However we still have to embrace our culture as the people of Mthwakazi. Ceremonial heads may be the way to go.

  • Cosmos

    The very idea of a kingdom is inherently antithetical to any notion of democracy. A
    society governed by the people, in which all are equal under the law, cannot
    exist if a single person and family is raised above the rest of the population
    by virtue of bloodline. The ability to trace one’s descent back to Muzirikazi or Robengura should be no basis for determining the leader of any country
    in the twenty-first century.

    The monarchy is a mediaeval and primitive institution that has no place in today’s society. Power by inheritance is illogical, and very much out of place in the modern era. The succession to the monarchy puts sons before daughters which is primitive and backwards in modern times of gender equality. It’s a hopelessly antiquated system that most of the rest of the world has moved on from.

    Please stop your outdated, fossilized thoughts; the new world will thank you for it.. Let us have a more liberated society since the the concept of kings, queens and all the other accompanying rigmarole of unearned privileges by birth really is out of place in the contemporary world. The idea that society should be organised along the lines kings and peasants is, thankfully, long behind us; we now expect to live in a meritocracy, a system which provides equal opportunities to all and strikes away artificial distinctions between masters and commoners.

    And clearly, there is no meritocracy in aristocracy, a system which bestows significant advantages upon a small minority purely on the basis of which family they happen to be born into.

    It’s just mind-boggling that we find people who think in terms of going back to primitive and barbaric times.

    • Essexvale

      I suspect that the above comment, with only a few changes, has been lifted lock, stock and barrel from some website …. you know …. the copy & paste thing? The writer’s intention is solely to ridicule the concept of reviving the Ndebele monarchy. Although he has placed heavy emphasis on some aspects upon which my comment below this one explores, I wouldn’t want to be associated with the obviously sarcastic tone of his contribution. After all, I consider myself a citizen of Mthwakazi and am proud of the fact. !!

      • Cosmos

        You obviously are a deluded , day dreaming moron who claims to be a citizen of a non existent place. I refer you to the founding provisions of the Constitution of the Republic of Zimbabwe which clearly states that Zimbabwe is a unitary, democratic and sovereign republic. Every citizen in Zimbabwe, that includes you , is bound by the obligations imposed by this Constitution. As a Constitutional Republic, Zimbabwe recognises no monarchy past, present or in the future. Given the forgoing , I can only conclude that your claims are consequently set in vacuo , incompetent, contra bonos mores, devoid of any recognised legal basis, speculative , irrelevant , superfluous and a complete waste of time and effort.
        .

        • Essexvale

          Many existing states, Zim among them, were at one time “non-existent.” In my comment i speak with a very strong faith in my belief concerning the state of Mthwakazi. Nothing that you say will convince me to think otherwise.

          • Cosmos

            You cannot be a citizen of a place that’s non existent, or which you speculate will exist in the future. I am aware you are not a time traveller. By the way faith is not a pathway to truth, its just a suspension of the requirements of logic, evidence, or proof and overreliance on a bucket list of wishful thinking.

          • THE TRUTH

            That place is non existent in your Gukurahundi head!!

          • Cosmos

            Where is that place and please provide a map or show me on a google map.

          • THE TRUTH

            Nehanda and Kaguvi need you attention please Sir. This is too heavy stuff for your tribalised little Gukurahundi mind.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if you were born post 1980. That is why you ask such stupid questions – where were you born? Did you grow up in Matebeleland/Mthwakazi?

            That is why I told you to focus on Nehanda and Kaguvi and leave issues of Mthwakazi that you know nothing about. Shame!!!!

          • Cosmos

            I was born in Mater Dei, Bulawayo and are fluent in four languages including Ndebele. I have never seen Mthwakazi in any Zimbabwean map. Just provide a google link showing where Mthwakazi is, Its that simple.

          • THE TRUTH

            No wonder – Matei Dei was a whites only hospital in the Rhodesian days. That clearly tells me you were born post 1980. No wonder you know nothing about Mthwakazi. You were not there during the Montrose Studios Radio Mthwakazi era. You are a victim of a ZANU PF Gukurahundi tribalistic upbringing. All what you know is what ZANU PF spoon fed you after revising the country’s history to suit the new tribal agenda of divide and rule by a Black man. Shame!!

          • Cosmos

            I requested that you show the place on google maps or google earth. I am still waiting. Seems to me your place does not exist. Its imaginary. If you have a map dating back prior to 1980 that will also do. Without the evidence, I can safely conclude that your place is non existence. I will change my position based on the evidence you provide. Go ahead and show me the map please.

          • THE TRUTH

            No need pikinini. You were born after 1980. I wish I knew this; I wouldn’t have wasted my time!!

          • Cosmos

            Knowledge is not a function of age. Its a function of he access to learning materials in various fields of education. Seems to me you are very ignorant of this basic fact of life,

          • Confused Professor

            Don’t waste your precious time and words, you are dealing with an imbecile. Let the dunderhead go and rest.

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            Oooooh another “6 months PhD studies”, PhD holder self-proclaimed Professor. These post 1980 little Gukurahundi imbeciles!!

            Kikkkkkkkkkk Lol Mthwakazi. Nansi mihlolo!!

          • Confused Professor

            Truth be told I just saved you from yourself, didn’t you see that you were embarrassing yourself, worse still you call yourself Royal Mthwakazi. Cosmos, delivered you some hard punches “facts” wise.

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            kikikikikik Lol. Your fellow Gukurahundi friend has disappeared after my last sucker punch. You are too young – mere laaities or should I call you Pikininis in these greater scheme of things.

            Stop talking about things you know nothing about – that is a the bitter lesson you have learnt today. You better follow him into your Gukurahundi tribal wilderness of ignorance and stay there. Shawuri Yako!!

          • Confused Professor

            What fellow friend??
            Actions have reactions, don’t be quick to judge. It’s best to step back, and observe with couth. Always quick to justify yourself on tribal grounds, stupid. Sometimes you gotta dig deep,don’t fear things get severe for everybody everywhere, why hold on to things you heard and never experienced. Why do bad things happen, to good people? Seems that life is just a constant war between good and evil. It’s mad amazing to think such problems can arise from minor confrontations.

          • vusumuzi

            hard punches, and kusasa , back to the bank queues , to the world of corruption , suffer like Mthwakazians/Zimbabweans , but speak like you are immune

          • Confused Professor

            Yo, I grab the pen for revenge and let loose, standing on the block, with black Reeboks, living villain. Packed with visions, throwing bread to pigeons. Slang-master jackets, baggy blue guess jeans, pull strings off. The corner emperor. Life is like tarzan, swinging from a thin vine. Shatter dreams, question all personal vendettas, yo you better keep your eye on the sparrow!

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            I also wish I knew – its a waste of time debating such issues with little Laaities who grew up in the era of spoon-feeding by Politicians, rather than self-initiatives at research and self-discovery. No wonder you have all been taken advantage of by Politicians. That is why you writing nonsense. Its born out of ignorance anchored on youthful exuberance!!!!

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            I mean, misdirected youthful exuberance!!

          • vusumuzi

            The way you write and speak english , you would think Zim is a first world !!!!, ufuze u President wakho and his useless degrees !!! you suffer like Mthwakazi people daily , so it means someone like you would rather be ruled by Mgabe than let Mthwakazi be considered equal also in this country.

          • Cosmos

            The President has been in power since 1980. He outsmarted everyone including J Nkomo and his ZAPU. He has outlasted many of his peers who have been dead for a long while. Those degrees have kept in firmly in charge for a record 37 years.

          • Gazlam

            kkkkkkkkkk. I hope he has also outsmarted illness and death; the ultimate equalisers. Kkkkkkkkk some hero worshippers. Quite sickening!!

          • Afghan Reporter

            very true, Real Zaragoza didn’t perform well in the last Italian Serie A.

          • vusumuzi

            neither did you see South Sudan then , but it is there now !!!!. Yugoslavia broken down into vrious countries because of such ethnic conflicts as ours , and you show lack of understanding. Russia used to rule the USSR when you were born but 12 states came out of it to be INDEPENDENT !!!!!!!

          • Cosmos

            So when are we gona see your crap then. I have been waiting since 1980 when robhengura sold out and was subsequently thrashed by a few settlers. He made the mistake of taking assegais to a gun fight.

          • THE TRUTH

            You were born in 1990. One can tell from your childish play here. Its all ZANU PF trash. Stop lying with your “waiting since 1980″ nonsense. . !!

          • vusumuzi

            in 1890 , it was three countries; i repeat Mthwakazi / Mthwakazi , capital Bulawayo, Mnhumutapa all Mashonaland and parts of Victoria and Manyika provinces , capital not sure , and Gaza , Maswingo , part of Manyika province in Zim and Moza and Limpopo province eka Sotshangane capital Gazankulu . The colonialist made them Rhodesia

          • Cosmos

            That’s ancient history. In 1980 , His Excellency President Robert Mugabe made the whole area Zimbabwe.

        • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

          Stop daydreaming. Who said our Monarchy seeks Zimbabwe recognition or by the Constitution of Zimbabwe? We want nothing from Zimbabwe; be it recognition or whatever. The only recognition necessary is our own Mthwakazi people recognition FULL STOP!!

          • Cosmos

            Go ahead, what’s stopping you doing it then? You might want to start your own paper and stop using a Zimbabwean government owned paper like the Chronicle

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            Well, you have just read the article. The initiative is going ahead – Period. And by the way; we in uMthwakazi are also tax payers, so the Chronicle is also our paper; and you will be well aware that, its not us who wrote the article – its the Chronicle Journalists and Journalism is about anything that is newsworthy and the Monarchy initiative is newsworthy. Just wondering whats arching you!!

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            spelling correction, last sentence:

            ……….Just wondering whats aching you?

          • Cosmos

            The initiative can go ahead in your dreams and hallucinations but is dead in the water as far as the Zimbabwean legal system is concerned. You are allowed to dream as much as your moronic head allows but will never succeed.

          • THE TRUTH

            You are a moron. Talking to you is like talking to a wall – you cant reason. You are just too thick; owing to embedded tribalism!!

          • Cosmos

            You must be a demented moron who speak to walls. I would be happy to listen to you if you start talking sense. I am will be waiting for you to do so. Do not make me wait forever.

          • THE TRUTH

            Go rest. You are brainless!

          • Cosmos

            I need to rest. I have had enough BS for one day. I am a generous person and offer my expertise pro bono. The problem is the recipients like you who fail to comprehend generic issues.

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            Good riddance!

          • vusumuzi

            No fellow countryman, as i always say, your home place needs your so-called expertise baba. Is your home in rural area First World ????????why do you want to “force your expertise on us” Go develop your home, that why they ‘educated”you , to give back to the community, wena uyabaleka

          • Cosmos

            Stop polluting cyber space with your crap

          • THE TRUTH

            This is why I get excited when xenophobia hits them hard in South Africa. These people are cruel, hard core tribalists back in Zimbabwe. They deserve all the evil that has befallen them since Mugabe turned his back against them for supporting Tswangirayi. They are not human!!

          • Afghan Reporter

            you’re misguided indeed, darts are not part of the Olympics games.

          • vusumuzi

            the colonialist was better than the Govt which has fovored you guys. They gave us a 24 hour Mthwakazi radio station , in our Mthwakazi languages , today , in independent Zimbabwe , its no more. Ndebele teachers, newsreaders , writers and spokespersons in Govt are appointed/employed by those who know nothing about Mthwakazi Cultures . We do not need to be changed by being taught by those who want nothing with an african language and cultures like ours. Its done by force , and you enjoy !!!. The Law is supposed to put into Law what the people want , so definately the Law will be amneded if the people push for it. It will work out for the marginalized here, but not for beneficiaries of evil deployment. Hwange and Vic Falls were changed and the cultures anbd language have been legally vandalized, yet the Constitution is there to preserve this

          • Cosmos

            Yes, I respect the colonialist for getting rid of primitive and barbaric cattle rustlers like robhengura. After independence, the winners got rid of useless radio stations that promoted divisions. The rule of law is enforced by force everyone around the globe. Its not a multiple choice. All laws must be obeyed regardless of your cultural background

          • THE TRUTH

            Its good that Mugabe has turned you people into paupers, after your noisy support for him in the 1980s. I thought you deserved sympathy for your situation. You dont. Now Suffer, idiots!!

          • Afghan Reporter

            You’re misguided, although many miners use mercury in small-scale gold mining, it is possible to safely recover gold without it.

        • Gugu

          It seems you are jealous sir of the impending monarch of the Mthwakazi.Whether you recognise it or not it shall happen.In fact our king will not require pay from this govt,we can support him ourselves and we do not need approval from anyone on this matter.

          • THE TRUTH

            Exactly. Cultural and linguistic rights are enshrined in the Constitution. I don’t know what these tribalists are blurbing about!!

          • Confused Professor

            Haha, support him??
            Buying him a bucket of dried maize every season by Renkini so he can cook “Amagwadla” whatever you call the whole damn sheet!!

        • vusumuzi

          unfortunately , it has resulted in the marginalization of this group of people who want Mthwakazi back, meaning who want their identity to be considered too, since this place named Zimbabwe does not recognize them as equals but as objects of revenge , ridicule , massacre , oppression , and whne something is wanted by the People , it is made Law. Therefore what the people want is what they will get . If the Constitution needs to be amended , to alter the Nonsense “sovereign” what what , it will be if the People want it. If you do not want it , and others want it , there will be a way to have it in. Are you one of the beneficiaries afraid of “losong” out on your favored Position/job in Mthwakazi; phea thats why Whites fought for pepretuation of their illegal, iniquitous Act of oppressing and depriving others . Do you believe in Equality and Justice for all? or you beleve in being “clever and educated” and so deprive the “uneducated”.? So if you ridicule what people in this region call Mthwakazi and you want that destructed , you want war, and lokho okuthembile kungehlulwa uzobaleka uye kini? Remember raids were being conducted up to kini khonale then. Never wish for wat, dont enjoy the oppression of other people

          • Cosmos

            You can go back to South Africa where you came from . If you do not do that we will kick out dead or alive.

          • Gugu

            We are reviving a kingship that was here over a 100yrsmall ago not in South Africa and absolutely no minion like you can tell us where to have it

          • Cosmos

            Go ahead and have your fun in your hallucinations. Its all allowed.

          • Gazlam

            kikikikikikkikkkk funny. Frustrated Shona!!

    • THE TRUTH

      Who told you our Monarchy wants to lead Zimbabwe? or any country for that matter? Grow up man; this is a Mthwakazi Cultural institution only. Please pay more attention to your Nehanda and Kaguvi and leave us alone!!

      • Cosmos

        Your comment does not match with the article and other comments here. Take time to understand what others in your own camp are chatting about before rushing to comment.

        • THE TRUTH

          Where does the article talk about the Monarchy in the context of the governance of the Republic of Zimbabwe? This is my point. Those who are debating along these lines, whom you are referring to are wrong. This is what I am correcting them about. They are running ahead of themselves; for obviously tribalistic reasons in most cases!

    • Njabulo ;libertatliberty@gmail

      You have demonstrated that you are ignorant about what is happening in the world.Maybe you live in the rural areas in Zimbabwe.For your own information first world countries still retain the monarchy system.For example,Britain,Denmark,Holland,France ,just to name a few.Other countries that still cherish the monarchy system in the world ,are countries like ,Qatar,in Africa,South Africa,Ghana,Nigeria,Swaziland,Lesotho and many other African countries.So your argument that ,that it is an outdated system is not valid.Every people has a history and they want to cherish it .They want to identify with it.lt gives fulfillment and pride.

      • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

        Even Japan, a so-called modern first World has a Monarch/Emperor and this has not impeded its democracy in anyway. Nigerians have Monarchs but they are a Federal Republic; Uganda has a Buganda Monarch too. Sir Seretse Khama was from a Chiefdom, even his son Ian, when he is back home be plays his role as a Chief. Its funny that these people are arguing against a Mthwakazi Monarch, yet they say nothing against the numerous Shona Chiefs in Mashonaland, Manicaland and Masvingo who are on the Government payroll and are the mainstay of ZANU PF!!

        • Afghan Reporter

          you’re very wrong, to say the least,if after shifting into gear the engine’s RPMs surge, but the car won’t move as fast as the engine sounds. This is usually caused by a clutch that needs to be replaced, but may sometimes point to a more severe problem.

  • Whyism

    The Prince really looks like Lobengula for sure! I sure he also likes sugar like his great grandfather.

    • THE TRUTH

      ZANU PF logic. No wonder they do what they like with you people!!

  • Ndlukula Ye Sizwe

    Very interesting. An interesting study would be the South African model which has a number of paramountcies operating within the democratic system of that country. Im not sure how exactly they run what I do know is that some run businesses to sustain themselves and their communities eg the Royal Bafokeng,abaThembu,amaXhosa,amZulu, baPedi,etc
    The model seems to be working well for them and gives that people a sense of identity and cultural pride sadly lacking in Zimbabwe

    • THE TRUTH

      Zimbabwe’s problem is that they see everything cultural and linguistic as tribalism. This is a ZANU PF Mozambique manufactured line of reasoning that has unfortunately taken root among many of our Shona fellow citizens.

      Everything is seen in light of the so-called tribal wars of a Century ago. This is why Zimbabweans have basically lost cultural identity compared to other Africans on the Continent.

      One would be forgiven in concluding that the tribal wars of the past in Africa only happened in the land between the two rivers, now known as Zimbabwe!!

      • Cosmos

        The Constitution of Zimbabwe , Chapter 15 Section 283 Subsection c(i) states that “The appointment, removal and suspension of Chiefs must be done by the President on the recommendation of the provincial assembly of Chiefs through the National Council of Chiefs and the Minister responsible for traditional leaders and in accordance with the traditional practices and traditions of the communities concerned”

        This process has to be followed and it seems to me that very little has been done so far to follow these legal requirements. In this article this scenario has been echoed by the Deputy President of the Chiefs Council , Chief Mtshane who said the matter has not yet been brought to their attention.

        • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

          But the process is still unfolding isn’t it? I haven’t read anything in the article that says everything has been concluded.

          The very opening statement in the article says “Local Chiefs are being consulted on the revival of the Ndebele Kingdom, with seven traditional leaders having been consulted so far.” This is Nqobile Tshili, the Chronicle Correspondent saying so; not us.

          • Cosmos

            Agreed, that’s where we are. After the consultations, they need to take their views to the next level, that involves the provincial assembly of Chiefs through the National Council of Chiefs through the Minister responsible for traditional leaders then the President. Its a long drawn out process that must be followed according to the letter and spirit of the law. I know what the law states on these matters, I recommend that you read the constitution so that you also are aware how these things work. That way, we will have a very informed discussion based on factual and legal merit

          • THE TRUTH

            There is no next level beyond the Mthwakazi Chiefs wena. This is a cultural and traditional matter and needs no legal sanction whatsoever. You forget that this process has already involved traditional leaders in Swaziland, KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape in South Africa. Neither the South African nor the Zim government has been involved in this.

            When Chief Buthelezi visited us on a traditional sojourn in the early 1990s and met our Mthwakazi Chiefs; and was hosted by Paramount Chief Khayisa Ndiweni – there was no Zim government involvement at all. Mugabe was merely notified.

            At our King Mzilikazi Commemorations; VP Mphoko was invited and he attended and gave all the blessings from President Mugabe. You are just a bitter, incorrigible tribalist who is dying to see this project fail. You should be ashamed of yourself – so anti African. Maybe you think you are European. You think you are white. Then go live in Europe and leave Africans to do their own thing.

            I dont know why you dont revive your own cultures, wherever you come from. Is it inferiority complex or what?

          • Cosmos

            Yes you are right, there is no next level. The law does not provide for the setting up of the Mthwakazi thing. So legally, the initiative is dead in the water. You can consult whomever you want but in the end it will be to no avail. The Zimbabwean legal system does not prevent people like you from wasting their time doing something useless. Its all up to you. Looks to me like you have time to burn. Fire away, that’s your time and effort.

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            OK; leave us to waste our time then – whats your problem; whats aching you? I mean, its our time mos, not yours!!

  • Confused Professor

    Let’s revive our tradition fast, our beloved King Zwide is looking sickly from the picture above, lest he passes on without showing us the way.

    • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

      Baby talk!!

  • THE TRUTH

    You are not normal. Where in the article does it demand a Monarch within the legal structures of Zim? In your village, wherever you come from; you can have a head of this and that within your community – does that need legal sanction or state recognition? You need psychological reconditioning. Go cleans yourself of ZANU PF Gukurahundi tribalistic upbringing. You are a disgrace – shame!!

    • Cosmos

      The article is not a legal document. Its just a narrative written by a reporter who has no legal training. Just so we are clear, there is no way anyone can set up a monarchy within a republic. Any such body has to be established based on the rule of law. Anything you do in Zimbabwe has to be in accordance with the dictates of the Zimbabwean legal system. You must be aware that ignorance of the law is no defence, its just a misfortune.

      • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

        Instead of arguing ad infinitum, let the process unfold we will see. But I can tell you now, there is no ways the powers that be will stop this. What they can maybe stop successfully is secession, but not any African cultural institution. That will be the day. Its gonna be a hard sale even to the AU. This institution exists in many countries on the African continent, such as Nigeria and in Ghana, but these are all Republican democracies with democratic elections. I have met many Nigerians and Ghanaians who call themselves first by the Title Prince so and so. Lets see how the cookie crumbles!!

        • Cosmos

          No one is stopping the process from proceeding. Please go ahead. I was just pointing out that in the end by operation of the law, the process will reach a dead end on its own. No need to worry about things that will terminate automatically after reaching a cul de suc .

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            Its you who is worried my friend. That is why this has taken so much of your time. As I said; leave us alone, our Monarchy has nothing to do with you!!

          • Cosmos

            I have already clearly stated that please go ahead. I do not worry about non existent places. Neither do I worry about some moron deluded enough to embark on a venture to no man’s land.

          • ROYAL MTHWAKAZI

            Good. I am glad, you have at last seen the light!

        • Gugu

          Bafo we don’t even need to go to the AU.we just coronate our king and that’s all.

          • Confused Professor

            Haha, don’t be pained if we remind you of these words in the future, when this turns out to be a non event!!

      • vusumuzi

        yebo , an article which revelas what people feel inside , ins’t it good to know how pwople feel , and give that attention , in the interest of all? Or have you been oppresswed and brainwashed by ZANU that you forgot the Slogan esika Nkomo during and after the war- mwana wevhu /mtwana wenhlabathi, he never said oppress each other. If people here want this , what has someone from outside here havr to do with it? Are you an Economic Refugee here , sound scared in case it happens !!! If you had Ubuntu you would adapt and be part of the community

        • Cosmos

          There is no evidence that people want that. I am one example of leading the way against establishing an ancient monarchy . Stop pretending that you have support.

        • THE TRUTH

          These people are never comfortable in their own skin. They lack self confidence and pride in their own identity. That is why they always poke their noses into Matebeleland affairs. Nobody in Mthwakazi bothers themselves with Shona tribal, cultural or provincial issues. But as for them, they find it hard to leave us alone!!

          • Afghan Reporter

            very true, the check engine light car’s dashboard is an early indicator that something is about to go wrong (or already has) with your car.

  • Gugu

    Just watch and see while we coronation our king.I don’t know why the interest to see that this does not happen

    • Cosmos

      yes , I will enjoy myself when it explodes in your face like dog poopoo